ONE IS A 4 1/2" DOUBLE BLACK RIBBON, 3/4" WIDE, W/ GOLD WASHED POCKET CLIP, 3 1/2"  WATCH CHAIN W/ CLASP & CENTER FOB, NOT ENGRAVED IN THE CENTER, SOME FRAYING ON THE RIBBON ENDS, OTHER IS  A LARGER 6 1/2" LONG DOUBLE BLACK RIBBON W/ 2" CHAIN & CLASP, LAUREL LEAF DESIGN FOB W/ SINGLE FLOWER HANGING FOB, ENGRAVED HLB, SOME FRAYING ON THE EDGES OF THE TOP RIBBON, BOTH IN GOOD CONDITION FOR THE AGE